My first job as a teenager was as a computer operator at a large corporation, part of an expansion of the IT department’s mainframe system. There was one other White male operator, and an Indian guy was the department supervisor. As more operators were hired, all were Indians (coincidentally, all from the supervisor’s home city in India).
Within six months, I and the other White operator had been replaced by two Indians.
Several years ago, I knew a highly-respected senior executive at a huge multinational corporation who once attended a meeting with the IT department. This having happened when globalism was all the rage, it will come as no surprise that almost all the people in the meeting were Indian men — and not one of them second-generation American, either: all were recent immigrants.
Anyway, as the meeting went on, the language increasingly turned into Hindi — this in a company which insisted on English as its global language in all correspondence and conversation — and when my friend insisted that everyone speak English, the atmosphere turned hostile. “But we understand each other better in our native language!” was the protest, whereupon my friend, not known for her tact, said, “Then you should have stayed in India, where everyone understands your home language. Unfortunately for you, we’re in America, this is an American company, and our corporate language is English.”
Half an hour after the meeting’s conclusion, she was summoned to H.R., officially reprimanded for “cultural insensitivity”, and told to watch herself in future.
So she filed a formal complaint against H.R. for not enforcing corporate policy and (deliciously) adding that one of the men had referred to her as a “stupid bitch” during the meeting — unfortunately for him, one of the few Hindi expressions she understood — and she filed a complaint against him for sexual harassment. He was “reassigned” to another division a week later, and the H.R. flunky was also officially reprimanded, by Legal this time.
It didn’t matter, though; over time, the entire IT department became staffed by Indians, all H-1B visa holders.
It is a little-known fact of corporate life — not just here in the U.S., but in Britain as well, that unless checked, Indians will always hire other Indians, and if they can, they’ll displace non-Indians in order to do so.
And this is why I understand exactly what is going on in this little situation:
An Indian-run outsourcing company used Congress’s H-1B visa-worker program to systematically discriminate against American college graduates, according to a class-action lawsuit filed in New Jersey.
The company, named Wipro, “operates under a general policy of discrimination in favor of [imported] South Asians and against [American] individuals who are not South Asian and not Indian,” says the lawsuit, which was filed in New Jersey.
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U.S. executives strongly favor outsourcing because it makes work easier for CEOs and H.R. managers, the Americans say to Breitbart News. The Indian workforces are easy to hire and fire, they don’t complain to managers, they do not make professional arguments against executives’ decisions, and they allow kickbacks via India or ancillary U.S. businesses, the Americans say.
Lovely, isn’t it?
I hope that this open secret gets whacked, and fast — and if it does, at least one good thing will have emerged from the Chinkvirus pandemic, as the massive job losses we’ve sustained have brought practices such as these to everyone’s attention.
And don’t let anyone get sidetracked into thinking that this comes from racial animus against Indians — because it’s the exact opposite: Indians are discriminating against Whites, and as much as they might claim that this is all in the service of the great god “Cost-Cutting”, they’re lying. It’s a way to get Indians hired, and a way to get tech expertise back to India. (If you think I’m exaggerating, please prove me wrong by showing me the statistics proving that a large majority of Indian H-1Bs do not return to India, and go on to become U.S. citizens. Good luck with that.) It’s absolutely no different from the ChiComs infiltrating U.S. universities and taking expertise out of the country and back to China.
I hope that Wipro gets sued out of existence.
A friend worked in a hospital where they decided to give classes in English pronunciation to the Indian doctors, because patients had difficulty understanding them. The hospital was accused of “cultural imperialism” a term I have not forgotten.
Aren’t Indians Caucasian? That was my understanding. Their skin may be darker, but I thought they were Caucasian.
My understanding is that they’re Aryan, not Caucasian.
Kim,
My better half works for Walgreen’s at their corporate campus in Deerfield, IL. Over the last five years, the place has morphed from a “typical” American company into Little Mumbai. Same goes for Discover, Grainger, Abbott, Abbvie, etc. The list goes on. The Village of Buffalo Grove has gone from a sleeply little bedroom community to a Hindi enclave. And Vernon Hills … totally overrun. Three years ago we went to an outdoor fest on Indepndence Day. I thought it was Hindi cultural appreciation day. Like so many bad diseases, now that they have a cultural foothold, there’s no turning back.
– Brad
My IT Department meetings are like the UN. We have a Russian, a Pole, a Pakistani, and an Indian department head and the 2 of us remaining Americans. The meetings take 3 times longer than necessary because no can understand all the heavy accents. There are long discussions caused by simple misunderstandings of what was said. Eventually we just more on to a different topic without resolving the issue. It’s a total waste of time.
Having been in IT for as long as I have, I’ve encountered plenty of Indians and Pakistanis (yeah, I know they hate each other, but I can’t tell the difference). They can be hard to manage because they do EXACTLY as told, no feedback (for instance if they run across something you didn’t know about, they leave it to shake out in acceptance testing or, horror of horrors, production).
My next-to-last office building had a large Indian population, and I wondered sometimes if they had ANY idea how modern American plumbing fixtures worked. It’s distressing how often I walked into a bathroom stall and exclaimed “How the fuck did you get shit THERE?” Honestly, all over the WALL behind the bowl? Combine that with then NEVER washing their hands afterward…..
I try very hard to take people one-at-a-time, but sometimes need to remind myself that sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason.
I’ve also noticed that Russians like to hire other Russians, but most often they’re actual immigrants, on path to Citizenship, and have no desire or intention to return to the Motherland. It’s actually amusing to watch an American Liberal try to espouse the joys of Socialism to someone who came here to escape same. Let’s just say orifices were torn in short order, and Liberal was informed he had no idea what he was talking about, and suggested he move to Russia if he likes Socialism so much.
Well, these good folks have have been raised crapping into a hole in the ground as the latrine….Soooooo… they now STAND on the toilet seat, drop trou, brace on the wall…and fire away…
One of the policies I intend to implement when the world elects me Benign Dictator is that anyone coming into America, for any length of time, must pass a test on usage of American-style bathroom fixtures. Failure to use them properly is grounds for immediate return to home country.
I actually wasn’t kidding in the slightest above either, at least once or twice a week I’d encounter shit on surfaces not meant to be shat upon, and doing so requires an exercise in creative anatomy. Never found it on the actual ceiling, but didn’t miss by much.
Yep, noticed a long time ago that when a currymuncher is placed in a position with hiring authority it’s then only a matter of time before the whole fucking department is Indian. The worst thing is having to go to corporate lunches with these third world fuckers – through weight of numbers they always choose some filthy vegetarian shithole.
The story over here is that they stand (squat) on the seat.
They have to go back.
When having a discussion with Indian IT people and they say “yes yes, we can do that”. I would always have to ask, “do you mean an Indian yes or an American yes”?
The Indians got what I was saying, most Americans didn’t.
Back when IBM made the transition with PWC to services I worked on a large contract. Having spent years prior in the OLD hardware IBM of the Hudson valley I saw the change firsthand. Indians flew into JFK, took a cab to the customers building. I greated them and walked them to a terminal to begin work. Luggage beside the chair it was the NEW IBM. It was just that fast. After 12 hour flight on Air India, clock started on a 10 hour day. These guys had never been outside Mumbai or wherever and that was it.
I’m in IT also and have worked with quite a few Indians over the years.
Oddly enough, I’ve never met a Hindi-speaker among them. Mostly Telugu speakers from around Hyderabad, or Kannada speakers from around Bangalore. A few Maratha speakers from Pune too.
I’m sure there are plenty of Hindi speaking IT folks too, just the companies I’ve worked for haven’t had offices in the Hindi-speaking parts of the country, it seems.
When the Big Tech (no longer exists) company I worked for started moving operations to India, they called the process “Right Shoring”, finding the best location for each part of the operations. Funny how all the front line customer involved jobs went to India and the Executive, Finance, Sales, Marketing etc. stayed in a certain suburb of Dallas.
I referred to it as Cheap Shoring, and when called on it by a disciple of The Company Policy, asked what they were going to do? Send my job to India?
I once worked for a Used-to-be-great company (HP) in IT as well and saw the offshoring first hand. I was actually a job victim of it, but with all the other horseshit going on in that company at the time, I was glad to be out. I still work in IT and spend a lot of time on the phone with that crowd. I have reached the point at 50 where I don’t even feel the need to be delicate anymore. I simply say “Can you repeat that” and “Your not getting off the phone till the problem is resolved” Its actually a shock (a pleasant one) where I call a support number and get ANYONE not from the subcontinent.
Repatriation and an end to importing street shitters en mass. They’re only second on my list of shitty foreigners I can’t stand because I’ve had the joy of dealing with mideast Muslims ( though all followers of that fucking death cult should be introduced to their prophet soonest)
My sentiments too, both areas. A colleague was sent to Egypt, was familiar with the side-footpad-hole-in-the-floor crappers in Europe, so he was not too taken aback when that was the situation in his assigned factory, figuring he could stand it for a week or two. The factory management knew he was American and had been here themselves, so they ordered a nice porcelain sit-down toilet just for him.
It arrived, was unpacked and set in the men’s room awaiting a plumber to connect it.
The locals promptly straddled it and shat in the bowl until it was full, then stood on the seat and filled the water tank with shit.
The brand new toilet was tossed into the dumpster and my colleague made do during his stay. The redeeming thing was that his hotel had a good shower and laundry service.
I’ve been in and around IT software development orgs for close to 40 years, most of which involved being on-site in corporate facilities. Once 90%+ a white male dominated sector, it’s safe to say things have changed.
Whether off-shore or recruited from university campuses, new entrants into the field are usually split between Chicom, Taiwan, India, and Pakistan men. Not many women of any ilk and most of the white males have Information Systems-type degrees vs harder-core Computer Science degrees.
Indian men in particular are quite adept at reading/learning most any technical skill needed; what they are not particularly adept at is problem-solving and thinking outside-the-box. My experience is that you have draw very clear and distinct white lines about what you want the resource to do…as long as the tech stays within the box they will, usually, deliver what you have asked.
All that usually is workable unless you’re in a situation where you don’t know what you don’t now about a use case or a technology. This usually requires a tech who has critical thinking skills and can consume the business process, the infrastructure/systems in place, and the available technology, to put together a solution that is doable and meets (more or less) the business needs. This capability is hard to find across all resources but, to me at least, is harder to find in the typical Indian/Pakistan/Chinese tech resource.
Incidentally, having observed some of the defecating residue left behind in many of these corporate restroom stalls, it never occurred to me that it might be someone re-enacting their prefered evacuation technique from their native country. Who knew?
As always there are exceptions…if you run across a grad from the Indian Institute of Technology, you are certain to be working with a bright bulb…it’s tougher to get into than MIT…still, book-smart doesn’t always translate into getting real-world things done.
Just my 2 cents worth.