“25 million individuals over age 100 remain in the Social Security database even though there are fewer than 100,000 people aged 100 or older alive in the U.S. today.” — DOGE
Let’s hear it for Gummint efficiency. And if it’s not inefficiency… then it’s fucking fraud, and the recipients of said fraudulent payouts need to go to jail.
And while we’re there, the people responsible for checking for and preventing such anomalies should be fired.
I know what I am writing here won’t be popular however I think social security should be totally disbanded.
It is a Ponzi scheme. Always has been. FDR knew this but he also knew that he would be long gone when the program went tits up.
The first people to get social security got something for nothing.
I’m in my 40s. I doubt I’ll get full benefits. Reports of benefit cuts and reductions starting in 2030 have been going on for years.
Anyone 30 or under is Likely to get less out of the system than they paid in
– Pay anyone who paid anything in exactly what they paid I’m not a penny more to make everyone whole.
– no more disability for people who are able bodied. If you are under 60 and not mentally retarded (not sure the current Politically correct term) or physically lame then you work. No handouts unless you genuinely need it.
For the people close to 60 who have an issue with the above statements I have made consider two things among many:
1 – current retirees get paid more out of the system than they paid in(for now, baby boomers will. Millenials and Gen Z won’t)
The govt didn’t invest the money so in order for current checks to go out to current retirees, the govt has to steal money from younger people to give to older people. This is wealth redistribution. And so many people seem to be against welfare for losers (which is wrong) but ok with this scam.
2 – if you are close to 60 or 65, you paid in something, and if you live past retirement you’ll get more out (for now) of the system than you paid in.
If you however pass away at retirement or even a few years in, you will have gotten screwed as under only some circumstances can you leave that money to someone else. If you had a private account (401k, Roth etc) for retirement it is yours to leave to who you wish.
And about those circumstances where others can claim against someone who died social security benefits, such as survivor benefits, that is wrong too. It is not the taxpayers responsibility to take care of your family. Try to plan ahead.
The main reason most people like Social security and even the republicans and Trump won’t likely eliminate it is that people are brainwashed to live above their means and have nothing or barely anything saved for retirement.
The Ponzi scheme known as social security is how a lot of people retire.
Social security is a drain on society. Time to eliminate this huge entitlement program.
Sorry for whoever this offends, but this is the truth.
Social security is yet another example of the old saying “THE GOVERNMENT HAS NOTHING. IN ORDER FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO GIVE SOMEONE SOMETHING THEY MUST FIRST STEAL IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE”.
uh-uh!
pay us back exactly what we paid in!! No way, José!!
the nickel (or so) I put in starting back in 1955 when I was 14 would have bought me a nice-sized candy bar; to purchase the same thing today would cost me well in excess of $2.
I could have purchased an ounce of gold in 1955 for ~ $30-$35, how much gold does $30-$35 get you today?
I could have purchased shares of AT&T (Gawd!) and lived very comfortably off the interest for the unlawful tax called Social Security I gave the gubbmint over the years.
pay me back exactly what I paid in!! No way, José!!
So because the govt caused inflation via money printing your solution is pay me more than I paid into the system by punishing younger working people to continue paying into this wasteful and fraudulent system.
“No Way Jose”
Also, many baby boomers earned more money than I if you adjust their pay for inflation. And houses cost less 20 years ago and more even adjusted for inflation. Same with vehicles.
So you want people today who are living a lower standard of life to fund your retirement cuz inflation?
There will be a tax revolt one day. The modern day Boston tea party. Once the masses realize the powers that be stole their money to give to others to maintain a standard of living no longer possible and that the current people are getting nothing – the levy will break.
“ I could have purchased an ounce of gold in 1955 for ~ $30-$35, how much gold does $30-$35 get you today?
I could have purchased shares of AT&T (Gawd!) and lived very comfortably off the interest for the unlawful tax called Social Security I gave the gubbmint over the years.”
Why didn’t you do these things you mentioned?
Surely you could have bought a used car instead of new or went out to eat less or some other cost cutting measure to buy these things – yet you did NOT!
Even though I pay into social security, I still save a lot of money into my 401K and Roth.
I am not stupid enough to believe that social security will go on forever. It will end likely one of two ways
1 – the masses have a tax revolt and stop funding the wealth redistribution
2 – the govt keeps sending out inflated checks and the inflation will be so bad that your 1,200 bucks will only buy a cheeseburger if your lucky.
And again. Why didn’t you find some way to save in other expenses and buy those stocks and gold you mentioned above?
I was going to reply with a long screed, but I think you’re a troll, meaning it’s not worth my time and effort.
We’ve always been frugal and at this moment I’ve enough for my needs and enough to help my children (should they require assistance).
BTW: I’m calling you out as a troll due to the ad hominens: outright and implied.
I’m. Troll. Lmao. Ok. Actually I am a 41 year old hard worker who saves and doesn’t believe in big govt.
I think you’ve lost the argument.
As good as trump is he won’t eliminate social security. Too many voters like yourself who say you are conservative and against wealth redistribution except when it comes to you getting paid what you want.
But hey keep thinking I am a troll I don’t give a shit I have a good 401k and Roth at 41 likely more than many baby boomers. I lived on less and planned ahead.
I’m sorry if you didn’t. I’m disgusted that people think it’s ok for the govt to steal from younger working people to find their retirements.
I must have hit a nerve.
Like “boron”, I too first started paying IN to SocSec in 1955, and we were never given a choice about it. Now, if you want to replace it with something else, we want to be reimbursed for all those “contributions”; and, since inflation is a monetary problem created by government, we want that disbursement to be indexed for the inflation that government has created over the seven-decades that we/I have been paying into this system.
“Now, if you want to replace it with something else, we want to be reimbursed for all those “contributions”; and, since inflation is a monetary problem created by government, we want that disbursement to be indexed for the inflation that government has created over the seven-decades that we/I have been paying into this system.”
The politicians of previous generations fucked you. Instead of doing something honorable like the WW2 generation did and fight a war, defeat a horrible enemy, and then rebuild a prosperous economy, instead you want to join one of the FEW bad eggs of WW2 era, Franklin D. Roosevelt and get the current generation paid and saddle future generations full of debt. So basically, Don’t fuck me over, fuck someone else. Pay me at someone else’s expense. Is this capitalism? Is this constitutional? Are you a conservative? Sounds more like you are in line with AOC, Bernie Sanders and other communist socialist Democrat Liberals.
I’d like to hit the lottery for 500 million dollars; we can both wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.
The problem with “plan ahead” is that the Feds have been stealing nearly 10% of your income your entire working life. That sure puts a crimp in that planning ahead if you aren’t in one of the upper income brackets.
Not to brag but I am 41. Been working since 16. I have a significant amount in my 401K saved and I have a Roth IRA.
I have never bought a new vehicle (always used) and lived below my means. Before I had a mortgage (my only debt) I was putting away the max in my 401k when I rented.
Unless someone has medical debt, which no one has control over, any other debt is caused by “the man in the mirror”
Live below your means. Save money where you can. If you don’t it’s not only the governments fault. Certainly 10 percent more would make it easier to save but that shouldn’t destroy your ability to save.
Teetoaler – ever listen to Dave Ramsey?
Yes I listen to him and Peter schiff however I have been saving since I was 16. Some years better than others. Started my 401k at 20 and been putting in ever since.
Save money and life is a little easier.
Keep up with the Jones’s and life is a little harder.
I do splurge on a few things here and there but mostly I try to get things on sale or used and put away whatever I can
I’m human and can and have made mistakes. Bottom line though is no one should expect their retirement to be paid for by someone else.
I suppose I’d put it as I don’t expect someone else to pay for my retirement. I just wish I wasn’t expected to pay for theirs while I’m not going to get mine from the same system, and for me to be forced to do it by making it more difficult for me to actually save for mine.
At least we’ve put off having the government take over the 401s like some evil morons were suggesting it should for fairness or some other insane reason. Because we all know how well that would have worked out.
I get it, pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
Some of us have used up those bootstraps.
That was supposed to be a reply to Teetotaler.
So if you use up your rainy day fund you want me and other people to fund your retirement?
Sounds like you are triggered emotionally when someone calls out the welfare known as social security. The idea that welfare is wrong if anyone else is getting it but it’s ok if the govt steals from others to give me something because I couldn’t save properly.
Other than medical debt, which is understandable, any other debt or lack of savings is the fault of the “man in the mirror”
If the 10 percent that the govt takes from you for the Ponzi scheme known social security breaks you and you say you can’t save, you have some other issues with making a budget.
You can’t get a part time job?
You can’t sell some guns?
You can’t get a cheaper cell phone plan?
You can’t cancel cable tv?
You can’t go without that morning latte at moon dollars coffee house?
Please. As the old saying goes “don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining”
I’m not asking for social security to be there for me. I’m simply saying that stealing from us made it harder. So why are you insisting that by saying that I’m demanding that I “get my share”?
You know nothing about me.
I have a job, I’ve been trying to get back to where I was when I was RIF’d in 2013 but according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics I’d need to make nearly double what I am to match what I was making then in purchasing power. So yeah, this is an issue. It’s obvious from my resume I’m “older”, and even with a willingness to relocate, no one seems to want to hire an “old” person.
We haven’t had cable TV in a decade, we don’t have guns or jewelry to sell, our newest car is a 2013, and it’s been paid off for years. We haven’t bought coffee or even gone to subvets for lunch in months, I normally buy meat on sale, and we are starting to downsize our freezer and pantry. The house is need of a new roof and boiler among other major repairs but with my low income we aren’t eligible for the loan we’d need for the work. There are also medical bills,
I’m glad you are in a good place. I’m glad your family taught you proper financial management (mine didn’t, and it took me a while to figure it out).
We are not.
I’m f’n sick of being told that everything is entirely my damn fault, whether I have anything to do with it or not. Did we make financial mistakes? Yes. Did we realize this, change course, and start to fix them? Yes. Has government policy over the years made it much much harder for us to recover? Yes.
“ I’m f’n sick of being told that everything is entirely my damn fault, whether I have anything to do with it or not”
Woe is me!
I didn’t say everything was your fault.
I said if you didn’t save for retirement that is the fault of “the man in the mirror”
Just like you were not happy about the govt stealing 10 percent of your check while you worked – to get paid out more than you paid in –
How do you think me and other younger people feel to have money stolen from us to fund a system that will not even pay us out what we paid in?
I will avoid replying to Teetotaler this morning. He has good points and not so good points. being in my mid-70s now, I’ve probably collected more in SS payments than I put in, but I don’t think I ever had a choice as to whether I’d participate. The money was taken out of my paychecks pretty much without my permission.
My thoughts here are on the 25 million centenarians still on the SS roles. Somebody is getting those funds every month. DOGE would make a lot of people happy if they ferreted out the crooks and prosecuted them for theft and/or fraud. Lock them up and claw back those funds.
As my sainted Mother used to say, “That’s not yours. Don’t touch it!”, usually punctuated by a slap to the back of my head.
“ I will avoid replying to Teetotaler this morning. He has good points and not so good points.”
Any what not so good points would those be?
What is wrong with anything I said in my replies today?
I am as conservative as they come. But people getting butt hurt over being called out on wanting the Ponzi scheme of social security to continue while at the same time hating and speaking out against govt waste is a huge double standard.
“ being in my mid-70s now, I’ve probably collected more in SS payments than I put in, but I don’t think I ever had a choice as to whether I’d participate. The money was taken out of my paychecks pretty much without my permission.”
I’m an old millennial. 41. I was fleeced this fee without permission. I’ll likely get less out of the system than I paid in.
The generation after me, Gen Z won’t get anywhere close to what they paid in. Never mind the same or more. They had no choice but to pay in
Common theme here is I am hated because I speak the truth.
Social security is a Ponzi scheme and a grand example of wealth redistribution.
The “suckers” are the young working who money is stolen from to pay for older retired people who had a lifetime to save. Whether they did or not is irrelevant and doesn’t make social security ok.
Can anyone answer this question for me – what is the difference between what Bernie Madoff did and what the US Govt does via Social Security?
Bernie just didn’t have a big enough pool or an unending stream of “New Investors” like SS does.
I’d agree with everything Teetotaler said. It is a Ponzi Scheme. And like all Ponzi schemes, it depends on Trust and Faith. ( and a continual supply of new ” investors” peoples money )
The difference is that it is OUR Ponzi Scheme. A portion of the population that understood 8th grade math should also know this. It doesn’t help when politicians like Al Gore say things like “Put Social Security in a Locked Box” or refer to it as the “Social security FUND”. The portion of the population that believes that Government somehow has it’s own money or can just print more money as it needs it is a lost cause that will never understand, so it’s useless to try to explain it them.
When you eventually start to collect, SSA will send you a report showing you all the totals of what you paid in and how many quarters you were active. It doesn’t take a lot of math to see that in raw dollars you rapidly get back more than you paid in. But yes we will run out of other peoples money. Sooner if we start depending on AI and Robots to do actual work.
The only other difference is that the folks who gave Bernie their money did so of their own free will. They may not have understood what they were doing, they were indeed intentionally misled to an even greater extent than SS, but no one held a gun to their head or held the threat of imprisonment or heavy fines over them.
Social security on the other hand? If you work for someone they withhold and you have no choice. If you work for yourself and you fail to pay in that 15% you’ll get fined and possible jail time.
Other than that, yep, pretty much the same thing.
As for the portion of the population that understands 8th grade math? That is rapidly getting smaller and smaller. I’ve knew a woman went years ago with a high school diploma who couldn’t handle “You have a dozen eggs. A recipe needs 4 eggs. How many times can you make the recipe?” She told me how bad her math was, so I tried that on her. She literally started to have a panic attack at the thought of trying to answer that question. I have no idea of how she survived as an adult managing a household if she couldn’t do something that basic.
You do have to wonder if part of dumbing the population down was to make it easier for them to get this sort of crap like how long SS was going to last past us.
If nothing else, they need to raise SS retirement age to at least 70 if not 75, same with Medicare. Most 70yos now are in better physical and mental shape than 65yos were when SS was started. I’m not saying that’s the best answer, but it would at least give more time to shift it over/phase it out. I seem to recall 65 was originally chosen as retirement age by Bismark to make it look like they were doing something good (to try to counteract Marx), but it was an age few would reach.
“ Social security on the other hand? If you work for someone they withhold and you have no choice. If you work for yourself and you fail to pay in that 15% you’ll get fined and possible jail time.”
So if something is forced it’s ok then? Let the system continue?
Slavery was wrong but hey it was forced so let’s not end it. Right?
“If nothing else, they need to raise SS retirement age to at least 70 if not 75, same with Medicare. Most 70yos now are in better physical and mental shape than 65yos were when SS was started. I’m not saying that’s the best answer, but it would at least give more time to shift it over/phase it out. I seem to recall 65 was originally chosen as retirement age by Bismark to make it look like they were doing something good (to try to counteract Marx), but it was an age few would reach.“
Wow great. Don’t don’t eliminate a fraudulent program that would be shutdown if anyone but the govt ran it
Instead fuck the younger people even more by making them pay into a system longer than the older generations had to and make it less likely they get anything at all out of the corrupt program. Nice.
Fucked in the ass raw dog no lube is what the younger people get while you keep getting someone else’s money at younger workers expense.
Isn’t that the same as welfare and wealth redistribution?
Teetotaler, your reading comprehension sucks.
All I said was that the difference between Madoff and SS was the coercion. I never said either was OK. Nor did I say that SS should continue as is forever. I suggested raising the age to give a little more time to come up with a way to wind things down.
Who knows, if the official retirement age became 70 or 75, it might be easier for people to get decent jobs over the age of 50, since employers wouldn’t automatically assume that you’d disappear on them quite as quickly. Though why they assume loyalty from employees since they don’t believe in showing any themselves, Lord alone knows. And that would make it easier for us old folks to make up those retirement shortfalls.
“Teetotaler, your reading comprehension sucks.
All I said was that the difference between Madoff and SS was the coercion. I never said either was OK. Nor did I say that SS should continue as is forever. I suggested raising the age to give a little more time to come up with a way to wind things down.”
More insults from a man losing an argument. I love it.
My reading comprehension does not suck
I commented directly on what you said. You want time to wind the program down so in the mean time you still get more out than you paid into the system.
I say shut the fucking fraud down now.
But you want to move the argument to me when I understand very well what’s happening
I notice many commenters today are quiet on this. Probably pissed that I called out the bullshit.
Welfare is welfare. Period. Social security is a Ponzi scheme period
Funny how people love welfare for themselves but not others.
And I am well aware the haters gonna hate. Much like those wrongly protesting trump cutting waste fraud and abuse, many not all but many older folks are gonna cry like babies when people like me who are clued into the bullshit speak out.
I hope one day this fraudulent program is shut the fuck down. Cold Turkey.
It was posted on the net in the last week somewhere that when the SocSec program started Jan ’37, the life expectancy of a male was 64.8-Years – so right at the start, they knew that “on average”, you were going to get squat.
Whatasystem!
“ It was posted on the net in the last week somewhere that when the SocSec program started Jan ’37, the life expectancy of a male was 64.8-Years – so right at the start, they knew that “on average”, you were going to get squat.
Whatasystem!”
So you are making incorrect references suggesting that the first generation to get benefits from the govt run Ponzi scheme got screwed when in fact they never paid in and got paid. Something for nothing despite the age
In addition the age was not changed for the baby boomers more than 2 years but for the oldest boomers not even at all and they are being paid on average far more than they paid into the system
Suggestions are being made; mostly by baby boomers and some ignorant younger people, that the age limit be raised way higher than any other generation dealt with on top of the fact that the payouts won’t equal what is paid in for the Millenials and gen z and whoever is next after that as well
“Whatasystem”
“More insults from a man losing an argument. I love it.”
My husband will be interested to find out that I’m a guy after 30+ years.
If the age is raised to 70, and they wind the whole thing down within 7 years, which should be doable, I won’t see a penny, so I don’t see how that’s going to benefit me, but hey, you know me better than I do, so go for it, so just keep up the insults.
As for people who are truly disabled, what do you want to do about them? Please answer instead just saying welfare is welfare. Yes it is, how do you intend to pay for it? Or do you want to put someone who is too disabled to work out on the streets, no matter their age? This is a societal discussion we need to have, and I don’t think you’ll get buy-in from very many people on any side of the political spectrum if your only answer is “Stop all welfare of any sort no matter the reason on date X” if you haven’t at least talked about it.
“More insults from a man losing an argument. I love it.”
“My husband will be interested to find out that I’m a guy after 30+ years.”
Ok Mrs Boomer. Your username “LibraryGryffon” seems gender neutral, but thank you for clarifying that you are a lady. My apologies. I am sorry that I misgendered you.
Back to the REAL point
Your statements
“Teetotaler, your reading comprehension sucks.”
and
“As for people who are truly disabled, what do you want to do about them? Please answer instead just saying welfare is welfare. ”
I clearly stated in my first post which was also the FIRST post of the comments on this article today
——– no more disability for people who are able bodied. If you are under 60 and not mentally retarded (not sure the current Politically correct term) or physically lame then you work. No handouts unless you genuinely need it.—–
Now to clarify more for you – a lady who seems to want to argue semantics
– When I say “welfare is welfare” I am referring to the cuts to FRAUDELENT programs and Program that do not work that Elon and Trump and Doge are working through right now.
While I don’t think Trump will eliminate social security, I said that above, he wants to keep his voters and most of the voters even conservative ones seem to think welfare for scumbags who refuse to work is wrong but welfare aka wealth redistribution from young working people to older folks who had a lifetime to work and save is ok since they paid “something” into the system, all while ignoring that this system is predatory against the young working poor (many people here admitted they would love to have had the 10 percent that was taken out in taxes when they were younger to have kept for themselves). Also, the Social Security system as a whole is a ponzi scheme.
We should not let it continue for 7 years, we should shut the fucking fraud down NOW! Pay people what they paid into it and DO NOT continue to saddle the next generations with debt for the stupid decisions of previous generations. It is DUMB AS HELL to chase bad money with more bad money.
And finally – going back to a statement I made as the very first comment to this blog article today ———-no more disability for people who are able bodied. If you are under 60 and not mentally retarded (not sure the current Politically correct term) or physically lame then you work. No handouts unless you genuinely need it.——-
We do NOT need social security to pay the mentally retarded and the physically lame (not sure the current politically correct terms, but I think everyone will understand these terms) – it is OBVIOUS we as a society will take care of those who are most vulnerable and can NOT help themselves.
We don’t need a bloated govt run ponzi scheme to pay disability. We can redirect about 10 thousand of the 70 or 80 thousand IRS agents hired to audit people to pay out money to retarded and lame people, and then each month after the payments are made they can audit to be sure the people are actually legit retarded, lame or both. – We can also help working American citizens with crippling medical debt.
People who had a lifetime to work and save who did not save enough is not vulnerable, that is stupid and bad decisions. There is a moral hazard to having people who are not family or friends pay for their retirement against their will. Ask family to help or friends to help if you are unable to work in some way for income.
# LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS
# SHUT DOWN SOCIAL SECURITY NOW
# STOP RUNNING UP DEBT FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS
So, you admit that those over 60 shouldn’t be cut out of SS totally, presumably because especially those at the lower end of the income range won’t be in a position to make up the savings in the time they have left. Fair.
That the able bodied and minded should work is a given. I just want to know how we want to pay for it those who do need it. Will it be a tax on all workers, on all employers, a general tax/vat on goods, a tariff, or what. If we want to do it as a society, and I’m assuming we do, we have to figure out how we want to pay for it. Right now, we pay for it out of social security. Even if we get rid of all the fraud, that’s were the legit stuff comes from, so cutting all of it off hurts the people who truly need it. So, we need to talk about this before we turn it off completely. That is what I was asking you about.
I’m sure that as a country we can do that, but if Trump/Congress just announce “All SS/SSDI payments stop Jan 1 2026 (or even 2027)”, I’m not sure we’d be able to have a replacement mechanism in place in time.
“So, you admit that those over 60 shouldn’t be cut out of SS totally, presumably because especially those at the lower end of the income range won’t be in a position to make up the savings in the time they have left. Fair.”
Now you are putting words in my mouth. I NEVER said this, your reading comprehension sucks.
Maybe you should be on disability for being of a diminished capacity? Or maybe you are just argumentative to keep going back and forth with what amounts to absolute bullshit. What a prize.
Again – I clearly stated
—-People who had a lifetime to work and save who did not save enough is not vulnerable, that is stupid and bad decisions. There is a moral hazard to having people who are not family or friends pay for their retirement against their will. Ask family to help or friends to help if you are unable to work in some way for income.——-
You then go on to state “I’m sure that as a country we can do that, but if Trump/Congress just announce “All SS/SSDI payments stop Jan 1 2026 (or even 2027)”, I’m not sure we’d be able to have a replacement mechanism in place in time.”
NO, FUCK NO! We do NOT need a replacement. We need to SHUT THE FUCKING PONZI SCHEME KNOWN AS SOCIAL SECURITY IMMEDIATELY. PAY OUT TO EVERYONE WHO PAID IN EXACTLY THE AMOUNT PAID IN.
The “replacement” is each person saving for their retirement on their own.
For those over 60 who did not, either work, get family or friends to help or figure it out without a govt cheese program that steals from working people.
“That the able bodied and minded should work is a given. I just want to know how we want to pay for it those who do need it. Will it be a tax on all workers, on all employers, a general tax/vat on goods, a tariff, or what. If we want to do it as a society, and I’m assuming we do, we have to figure out how we want to pay for it. Right now, we pay for it out of social security. Even if we get rid of all the fraud, that’s were the legit stuff comes from, so cutting all of it off hurts the people who truly need it. So, we need to talk about this before we turn it off completely. That is what I was asking you about.”
TO your question – I wonder if you just like to argue. Wow.
Anyways , even conservatives know there will be SOME taxes, but they have to be reasonable and within everyone’s means. Social security is NOT reasonable and NOT within our means.
Social security costs about 1.5 trillion dollars a year, and medicare / medicaid is about 1.6 trillion year, the two combined totaling over 3 trillion per year.
(By comparison the US defense budget is around 900 million just shy of 1 trillian)
USA income taxes take in about 5 trillion a year.
that means we as the USA spend 3 trillion of our 5 trillion in revenue on 18 percent of the population (about 60 million people on social security over age 65).
If we get rid of social security and medicare and medicaid – and ONLY pay for the following two groups
1 – VETERANS – 100 % coverage no deductables required
2 – Mentally retarded and lame covered
3 Trillion will MORE than cover the people who need it.
We can argue the details of what the payouts are in congress, but again, 3 trillion will more than cover what is needed for Veterans, and mentally retarded / lame
Anyone else, learn to save.
If you are retired, get a job, ask family or friends for help. Maybe even do what younger people have to do and gulp, sell your home, move to a cheaper home or rent a place within your price range.
You are not entitled to a standard of living at someone else’s expense.
So, how are you going to pay for those who are mentally or physically unable to work? You say they are deserving of support.
That is all I am asking.
Currently they get SSDI which is paid out of social security. What are you going to replace it with? Dont go after me saying I’m saying we need to keep SS going to keep them paid, I’m just asking what you suggest we replace SSDI with and how you suggest we fund it.
MRS LibraryGryffon –
In this thread above I ALREADY stated:
———We don’t need a bloated govt run ponzi scheme to pay disability. We can redirect about 10 thousand of the 70 or 80 thousand IRS agents hired to audit people to pay out money to retarded and lame people, and then each month after the payments are made they can audit to be sure the people are actually legit retarded, lame or both. – We can also help working American citizens with crippling medical debt.—–
Now MRS LibraryGryffon – you asked, YET AGAIN
“Currently they get SSDI which is paid out of social security. What are you going to replace it with? Dont go after me saying I’m saying we need to keep SS going to keep them paid, I’m just asking what you suggest we replace SSDI with and how you suggest we fund it.”
Either you are just arguing to play games, or you have some sort of mental problem. If the latter, please seek professional help. You are asking questions about items I have answered MULTIPLE times.
Another item – how can old people who don’t have money get some money?
For those over 60 or 65 who want to know how to earn income if social security is stopped (Or if it continues and the govt continues to send out checks, and they are inflated so badly that the checks buy almost jack shit)
– setup a website and ask for money or generate revenue with ads
– Make quilts or do odd jobs
– Ask family or friends to help
– sell of shit you don’t need on offer up or Craigs List
– downsize your vehicle, sell your vehicle
– Downsize your house, sell your house
– Get a cheaper cell phone plan monthly
– turn off lights and lower your electricity bill
– drive for uber / lyft
– delivery groceries
And for the ladies
There are many guys who have a fetish for women over 60, grannies, gilfs – take pics and sell your ass on Only Fans or some other adult entertainment website.
Please stop expecting help from anyone other than family or close friends. The economy sucks and the last thing we all needs is govt stealing from working people to redistrubute wealth.
We are trying to ELIMINATE WASTE FRAUD AND ABUSE, NOT ENCOURAGE IT.
To suggest that random women you don’t know, who may have backgrounds with abuse, of any variety, should just take pics and “sell their ass”, even if it is “only” online, is evil.
Mrs LibraryGryffon,
You state
“To suggest that random women you don’t know, who may have backgrounds with abuse, of any variety, should just take pics and “sell their ass”, even if it is “only” online, is evil.”
Some points
1 – You are on a website blog that has pics of naked women and vulger language. If you have a history of abuse or anyone else reading this has a history of abuse where nudity or swearing or talking about real life shit like pornography is offensive and or would trigger your emotions of built up problems from “abuse”, I would suggest you get off of this website and seek professional help.
Have you ever told the owner of this blog you are offended by his opinions? No, I doubt you would. You are reading this site and I haven’t seen you mention anything the owner of the blogger said is offensive. In fact I haven’t seen you call anyone else other than me evil, or say they have reading comprehension issues. Which leads to point number two.
2 – Maybe you just like to argue and like to try to have the last word, because maybe you are triggered emotionally that someone made a point that you not only don’t agree with but maybe one that got a visceral reaction from you. I obviously got under your skin with my opinion. You have a very thin skin it seems. Maybe stay off of the internet, as you may see and read things that could upset or offend you. “Evil” things maybe?
3 – Prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world. I am NOT suggesting women put themselves in harms way with men they do not know in person. I am saying one way for women to make money is to sell pics of their ass online. If this disturbs you or is not right for you or someone you know that reads this blog, disregard this option. Just like if you already rent and can’t sell or downsize your home, you would disregard that option.
Icing on the cake here is I really think you are gaslighting me. You are coming back at me suggesting there is something wrong with me or that I am rude or I have a reading comprehension issue. See a pattern here from you? You are suggesting I am the problem and that there is something wrong with me because you do not like my opinions or thoughts on this topic.
I think that is “evil” So Touche
If you hate my guts or think I am evil, or think I am not able to have good reading comprehension, let me tell you something, I absolutely do not give a fuck what you think about me. You can hate me all you want and think I am evil all you want. I do not give a flying fuck what you think about me.
Good day to you Madam.
MRS LibraryGryffon,
Either you are mentally retarded or you are just arguing for the sake of arguing? Do you have dementia?
“Your reading comprehension sucks” – Does that sound familiar?
Please RE READ below what I WROTE ABOVE previously.
I EXPLAINED IN ENGLISH how paying for people who are retarded or veterans will be accomplished at a high level.
If you can’t understand this, please seek professional help. I am NOT a psychiatrist or psychologist.
——- we as the USA spend 3 trillion of our 5 trillion in revenue on 18 percent of the population (about 60 million people on social security over age 65).
If we get rid of social security and medicare and medicaid – and ONLY pay for the following two groups
1 – VETERANS – 100 % coverage no deductables required
2 – Mentally retarded and lame covered
3 Trillion will MORE than cover the people who need it.
We can argue the details of what the payouts are in congress, but again, 3 trillion will more than cover what is needed for Veterans, and mentally retarded / lame
Anyone else, learn to save.—————–
Indeed. I’d hope that the majority of those centarians aren’t receiving anything, but I wouldn’t want to bet on in. If even 10% of them are, that could still be billions a year.
Numbers remaining in the social security Data base is not the same thing as receiving benefits from Social security. But that assumes accurate reporting by the media, so who knows what the real story is.
There are 1 billion possible SS #s ( less 1 ) and the current US population is roughly 1/3 of that. We have used a little more than 1/2 the numbers available. But it would make sense to know what numbers you have already used and keep those inactive numbers in the DB – as long as they are flagged as “Used – Inactive”. And since the system was started in 1938 , I’m assuming that none of the digits are Check digits as used by the credit card number system and others.
But it’s an old government system so we can’t assume there was any intelligent design behind it. Much more likely someone just said ” make it 9 digit’s long — We will never run out of those numbers” for this Ponzi Scheme.
1973, at 21yo, I originated my IRA, a ‘KEOGH Plan’ for self-employed.
During those years, I was a contract welder-fabricator at the shipyards in San Diego, California.
Enjoyed the work and cow-orkers.
Got tired of that.
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Mid-1970s, in Sacramento California, I met real-estate investor Gene Chesney.
I became his shadow, copying his every move, buying anything I could get.
I owned over a hundred rental properties, did every paint and landscape and re-model.
Sixteen hour days, loved every minute of it.
Got tired of that.
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1979, bought a restaurant.
Bought another, eventually we owned four restaurants simultaneously.
Sixteen hour days, loved every minute of it.
Got tired of that.
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Became a traveling Physical Therapist, short-term contracts with clinics and hospitals.
Loved every minute of it.
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These days at 73yo, we operate a small organic teaching farm near the outskirts of Eugene Oregon.
Sixteen hour days, love every minute of it.
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To all the neighborhood kids hanging around the shop, the Humble Observer suggests:
* enjoy the process.
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And D.O.G.E. is just another bunch of bureaucrats at BureauOfJustifyingOurExistence.
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An aside:
The biden/trump/newsom/stacyabrahms/ronpaul co-joined twins?
Sure.