Well, Yes Of Course, Ladies

Yesterday’s lead-in post contained this fine sentiment:

“Every Male Adult Should Have This Pair”

…followed by a lovely pic of two guns:  a 1911 .45 ACP and a S&W .357 Mag revolver.  And indeed, the sentiment is true enough to be almost tautological.

“But what about Teh Laydees, Kim?  What pair of guns would work for us gurrrlz?”  (said not one of my Lady Readers, ever)

Relax;  it’s just a flimsy excuse for me to talk about guns and post pics thereof.

And right up front I’m going to state that yes, I know there are plenty of women who would feel right at home with a 1911 and a .357 Mag revolver.  There are also sharks who may pass up the chance of munching on a scuba diver — but that’s not the way to bet.

Here are the inescapable facts about women shooting guns.

Women have smaller frames — i.e. lighter bone structure — than men.  (Once again, there are Amazons, but once again, they’re not representative.)  Having smaller frames means that the controlled explosion of a detonating cartridge hammers them harder than is the case with most men.  (Men of more diminutive size, by the way, feel the same way.  A longtime friend, who is unquestionably the toughest man I know, is a short, wiry individual who loves shooting — but he prefers to shoot 9mm over .45 ACP and .38 Special over .357 Mag because the larger cartridges beat him up too much.  As he puts it, “After 500 rounds, my bones feel like sawdust.”)  And having taught literally hundreds of women to shoot a handgun over my lifetime, I can make the same statement unequivocally.

So the solution for women is clear:  a smaller cartridge chambering is preferable over a magnumthumpenblitzenboomer, speaking in the broadest of generalities.

Which brings us to the delicious part of this post:  what are the two handguns which should be a part of every adult woman’s life?

After an unbelievably-long period of cogitation (about 20 minutes), I’ve come up with these two:

S&W Model 60 or 637 Lady Smith (J-frame) in .38 Special

Here’s my rationale:

1) this is a beautiful gun, by almost any standards;  hell, the pic makes me want to buy one and I’m not even in the market.

2) it’s compact, so it will fit a lady’s (smaller) hand very well.

3) it can be modified — e.g. by substituting rubber grips — if so desired, and can be made still lighter by going with the alloy-framed Airweight 637 model (such as the one I’ve carried as a backup for decades).

Another choice would be the Mod 642 hammerless (double-action only DAO) model, seen here with the appropriate grip:

Finally, you can go even more lightweight with the 340/360 Scandium-framed models:

…but remember:  the lighter the gun, the greater the recoil.  Ask Sir Isaac Newton.  And unless you’re of the S/M persuasion, avoid shooting the .357 Mag from this wee trinket at all cost.

Between any of the above options, there is no bad choice.

4) there’s nothing wrong with the .38 Special cartridge from a self-defense point of view, especially when decent hollowpoint ammo (like Hornady XTP 125gr or Winchester Silvertip 110gr) is used.  And if MOAR POWAH is needed, there is always the “+P” option, which I’ve always thought of as the “Lady’s .357 Mag” anyway.  (Caution:  the +P cartridge fired from the tiny Lady Smith is not a pleasant experience — it’s almost the equivalent of a .357 fired from a K-frame revolver. Ask me how I know this.)  And on a similar note:  the Model 60 is chambered for the .357 Mag, but fergeddabahdit;  stick with the .38 Special.  Your wrist will thank me.

All the above, I think, make a compelling argument for the model 60 / Lady Smith as the first choice for the “Ladies’ Double”.

Now for the difficult bit:  the semi-automatic.

I’m going to tackle this option a little differently from the revolver option, in that I want to address the cartridge issue first.

Empirically speaking, I consider the 9mm Europellet to be inferior to the .45 ACP in pretty much every way.  That said, I do believe that the 9mm is a better choice for women because its recoil is far less damaging than the .45 ACP.  (I should point out that this was Connie’s choice, and she was by no means a small woman — but even she found the .45 ACP too tiring to shoot.)  So I’m going to go with the 9mm chambering — and the .380 ACP (9mm Short) for still-less recoil, if necessary — mostly because improved bullet technology has made the Europellet a lot more acceptable.

With a semi-automatic pistol, of course, one then has a further fork in the road in that one should decide whether to go with a single-action (SA) 1911-style, or a double-action (DA).  There is no bad choice here;  it’s purely a matter of preference.

If we’re going with single-action only, however, there is only one choice:  the Browning High Power.  And speaking for myself, I’d probably go with Springfield’s SA-35 model, for cost reasons:

But of course, the venerable High Power is a large and heavy beast, and thinking once more of our target market, let’s consider something a little lighter.  Here’s the CZ 75 PD Compact:

Longtime Readers will know that I am a huge fan of the CZ 75, have owned several, and the above would probably be my first choice for a carry pistol if I were in the market for a concealable Europellet gun.

One could go lighter still, of course, with the various polymer-alloy-framed models out there — the excellent Springfield XD line comes to mind:

…but speaking personally, I find them uninteresting (okay, ugly).

Speaking of non-ugly guns, of course, there’s the Walther PPK:

…but I wouldn’t recommend them because although they’re nice-looking guns, they’re not that easy to shoot well — especially the older models, which give both “hammer-bite” and “slide-slice”.  The newer versions of the PPK (as above) have a longer tang at the back, which goes a long way to eliminating both problems.

Alert Readers, however, will notice that the above pistol is chambered in .380 ACP, which while far less of a cartridge than the 9mm Parabellum, has become an option because frankly, the improved bullet technology I alluded to earlier has made the little .380 an option for those of us (especially ladies) who want something with even less recoil than the 9mm Para.  I consider the .380 ACP / 9mm Para choice, therefore, in the same way as I consider the .38 Spec / .38 Spec +P choice.

In other words, as long as you use good self-defense rounds (once again, like Hornady XTP 90-grain), I don’t think the compromise is a bad one — if the lessened recoil makes you more likely to put the boolet in the desired X-ring.

I might as well address the ammo issue at this point.  In terms of the 9mm Para (9x19mm) option, I would have no hesitation in recommending the Hornady XTP or SIG-Sauer Elite V-Crown lines:

And, of course, one always has the option of going to the 9mm +P, for MOAR POWAH — although care should be exercised if the pistol choice is for the compact type (see: Isaac Newton).

So:  if I were to make the pictorial choice for my Lady Readers along C.W.’s line:

…what would be my selection?  Here we go:

As with C.W.’s choice, we may quibble over the details;  but nobody can argue with the sentiment.

14 comments

  1. I own both a 442 (an air weight 5 shot .38, similar to those listed) and a 19 (6 shot steel .357), and in my own opinion, recoil with the 442 and +P .38s is downright unpleasant, far worse than the heavier 19 with full house .357 loads. For that matter, I’m a dude that loves shooting full power .44 Magnum, and I hate shooting the 442. There’s something about that tiny light revolver that just makes the recoil bite and hurt, that isn’t present in its more powerful steel brothers. I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend a model 60 or 640, with or without .357 loads, or even an excellent model 36, but the air weight .38s and worse are a strong “no” from me.

    As for semis, there’sso much selection available, that I’m not gonna offer an opinion there.

  2. Excellent piece, as always, and I never tire of gun posts. Ever. And we agree whole heartedly on choices for both the men and the wimmins. As a matter of fact, back in the late 1980’s I got my mother an excellent (at that particular time, their QC was, perhaps, better than S&W) Taurus Model 85CH, the CH stood for concealed hammer. The hammer was there, it was not shrouded, but the tang was bobbed off. I like it so much I bought one for myself, the two serially numbered, and both are in my safe now. Mine wears the excellent Eagle “Secret Agent” grips and lives in a Kramer pocket holster and goes to the grocery store or gas station with me for quick trips. My mom’s wears Pachmayrs, but at 92, she’s relinquished it to me so I have both. I sometimes carry that one in a paddle holster, but not very. Often. Here is a photo link of one.

    https://picturearchive.gunauction.com/5648180059/9217281/14089-1.gif_thumbnail1.jpg

    As you know, I am also a huge CZ fan, and while striker-fired are OK guns, I’ve never warmed up to them much preferring a hammer fired, and your choice is a wonderful example. While I sometimes recommend a Glock (ugh!) to people I KNOW won’t shoot more than once every couple of years because of ease of takedown and maintenance, I’d much prefer your choice.

    And while I still do carry my 4” .45 ACP, and not infrequently, These days I more often am strapped with my Wilson Combat SFX9 in Europellet. I came to appreciate the Europellet earlier, and perhaps more enthusiastically, than you did and I feel very well-heeled with the outstanding Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr FlexLock bullet, making about 1,010 fps out of my 4” barrel. It’s spendy, but I use any cheap bulk stuff I get on sale from time to time for range practice. The LuckyGunner lab results for that round are astounding, and while I’m not a big jello shooting fan, if I do my part and put two in the HVAC and one in the CPU (or three in the HVAC if I’m a bit jumpy), I’m confident this round will do its job well.

    My sister got a .380 (much to my chagrin) because she thought she couldn’t rack the slide on a 9mm. She can, but I was not there to teach her properly and the lady instructor at the gun store sold her the .380. Ammo choice here is much more critical as there is not a lot of quality stuff made in .380, like there is in 9mm or .45. That Sig V-Crown is the ONLY one I tell her to keep in it for social use, the stuff is wonderful.

    For anyone coaching a female shooter who has trouble racking a slide there is a way to fix the problem that works for literally everyone, and all it takes is proper technique. If your lady friend is having trouble, chances are she is using the pinch grip on the rear of the slide and trying to pull it back with her weak hand.

    Have her instead wrap her hand over the top of the slide gripping the serrations between the heel of her hand and her fingertips, with the thumb pointed back at her. Then PUSH THE FRAME FORWARD WITH THE STRONG HAND. Don’t pull the slide. 100% guaranteed to work with any size female short of one suffering from rheumatoid arthritis. I wish I had been there when my sister made her purchase, she’d be the proud owner of some variant of the 9mm. Although, as long as she sticks with the Sig V-Crown ammo I’m confident her little gun will do the job for her.

  3. Oh, an afterthought, Kim. While you are not likely, I suppose, to ever favor a 9mm over the legendary .45 ACP for social use, that Critical Duty round does make me more confident in the Europellet. However, a young friend of mine who is a counterintelligence officer in a James Bond type organization ONLY carries 147 grain fodder in his 9mm guns I checked out the Federal HST in 147 grain at Lucky Gunner, see link …

    https://www.luckygunner.com/9mm-147-grain-jhp-hst-federal-premium-le-50-rounds#geltest

    And I think I would consider replacing my Hornady social use stuff with that if I ever run out of my stash of Hornady. Which is not bloody likely considering I rarely shoot my carry ammo.

    But I thought of you because the heavier boolet and the reliable expansion might make you marginally more confident in the round. Not much slower then my fodder, at about 970 fps, expansion is wonderful, and penetration is perfectly adequate. I likey this stuff.

  4. JCinPA:

    You said, “…guaranteed to work with any size female short of one suffering from rheumatoid arthritis.” Unfortunately my wife does have arthritis in her hands, particularly her thumb joints. She has an incredibly hard time even racking a full-size 1911 even when cocking the hammer first. So her carry gun is a Ruger SP101 in .357, loaded with .38+P’s.

    One good thing about the Rugers when compared to the S&W Airweights is, as Kim noted, a reduction in recoil. Even the little snubby 2″ and 3″ versions in stainless steel weigh a half-a-ton which helps soak up some of the recoil when combined with a good rubber-type grip. Also, when you’ve run through the 5 rounds in the cylinder and the other 5 in the speed-loader you can use it to beat your assailant to death since it’s darned near impossible to damage those things. The downside is that it’s heavy enough to sometimes discourage her from carrying it all the time. Those pesky laws of physics, again.

  5. Though I’m a big guy, I’ve always had small hands and only fair grip strength. I owned a taurus 85 years ago and it beat the hell out of me, if I’d been willing torture myself more I might have learned to shoot it ok. I gave it to one of my sons who got rid of it. Considering my current state of being (a stroke a few years ago left me with limited strength and grip in my left hand and I’m recovering from a total, reverse shoulder replacement on my right) I can opinionate about what the average woman might find useful. My primary carry guns are first gen. S&W shields which are very hard for me to rack the slide. One with an apex trigger and night sights is a good shooter, the other, a performance center model only has a hogue slip on grip sleeve added which makes a better grip. Smith does/did make an EZ version in 9 and 380, which is supposed to to be much easier to rack the slide. I also have carried a Beretta PX4 storm. If you thumb cock the hammer its easier to rack. A few years ago I picked up a springfield sa-35 and girsan mc-35 and if you are a fan of 1911’s you will probably like them. There are so many hi power clones coming out of turkey these days you can get one for $400. If it has a mag safety, you will have to remove that to improve the trigger. The Springfield xd-m fits well in small hands. There is a plethora of compact 9’s out there and racking them is do able if you use JCinPA’s technique. If beretta would make a tip up barrel pistol in something sportier than .25 or .32 it would eliminate the whole slide racking problem.

  6. So….which .380 pistol would you recommend?

    I like the Bersa Thunder. Lots of the PPK goodness in an ergonomic package. I (foolishly) traded mine in towards a beautiful Mauser HSC only to find out that the Mauser is very “snappy” and unpleasant to shoot.

    Before owning this pistol, if anybody told me that a .380 had painful recoil, I would have laughed out loud while cranking off a cylinder full of .44 mag. Now, I know better

  7. For the 38/357 Ladysmith you did not mention the wad cutter as a defensive round, also called dum-dums. These soft lead slugs can cause lots of damage.

  8. Many fine firearms out there for everyone. The nice thing about revolvers is that you can customize the grip quite well to suit your hands. Although revolver grips are getting harder to find at your local brick and mortar gun store.

    I got custom grips from Herrett Stocks in Idaho a few years ago and although pricey, they are worth it.

    If lead bullets are fouling up your barrel, try a Lewis lead remover kit.

  9. another single action semi auto to check out is the Sig P229 Legion SAO. My wife recently bought one and it is one hell of a great gun. I think it might rival a 1911 for trigger and accuracy. Yes it’s a full size gun. I think the Sig P229 is also available as a SAO option. It’s an aluminum frame with a stainless steel slide with higher magazine capacity.

    The bottom line is that there are many fine firearms out there so get the one you like and enjoy the best and then practice, practice, take lessons, train, practice practice. And ENJOY!

  10. according to the Lucky Gunner labs, the .380 Sig V Crown didn’t do so well through the gelatin tests. I would think that regardless of bullet design, the shortcoming of .380ACP is its penetration. I usually used FMJs for this reason in .380ACP but don’t have any real world experience with its terminal ballistics.

    Most training classes require 9mm or 38 special as a minimum caliber so that is what I go with nowadays.

    I’ve heard mixed results with the Hornady XTP, Critical Defense and Critical Duty. I hear that the bullets aren’t crimped in place well so that you can get bullet set back if you cycle the same cartridge in the chamber. solution, rotate ammunition and practice with it. The 124grain HST from Federal appears to be more consistent than the 124gr +P offering from Federal in the HST line.

    The Lucky Gunner Labs page needs some serious updating

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